Thursday, May 13, 2010

Would you support the use of Polygraph tests where DV is claimed in custody cases?

Why or why not?Would you support the use of Polygraph tests where DV is claimed in custody cases?
No, I asked this once about rape cases, whether it would help solve them, and I was roundly advised that they are notoriously unreliable and can be beaten if you know the system :-)Would you support the use of Polygraph tests where DV is claimed in custody cases?
Absolutely, if they were deemed to be a little more accurate.





However, I do recall reading that certain brainwaves and activity is present when people lie*, which an MRI scan can pick up.


*(apparently, lying requires certain areas of the brain, and also requires more work of the brain to lie as it needs to fabricate on the spot whereas recall is far easier, faster %26amp; direct)





So if not a polygraph test - perhaps a test which includes the use of this technology.





I would also suggest whoever is found to be lying - loses any chance of custody...





See the allegations drop like a lead-weight.
Polygraphs are not supposed to be very reliable, and I have heard that they are easy to 'beat'.





However, if the police felt such a 'test' might be useful as a general guide, maybe.





Apparently such tests are used in some cases, along with hypnotherapy.





That would also be very useful in all sorts of police cases, I expect.





The problem might be finding someone who is agreed by all parties as competent to administer the test, getting a test which is an agreed result and not subject to someone doing the things that can interfere with a result, and having evidence that will actually stand up in court.





Otherwise, it could simply muddy the waters and provide a questionable result.





Cheers :-)
Since they are considered unreliable, no.





It is a terrible injustice that women are not believed in today's courts. It is not uncommon for DV charges to surface in divorce. Many women are reluctant to report abuse in their marriage (that's why we have pro-arrest policies). Often, they are embarrassed about it and dont want to get their husband/child's father in trouble. For this reason, the allegation may come to light in court.





It can also be hard to get evidence or witnesses for abuse -- what abuser would even allow witnesses to see what he is doing? they dont.





Research (Bala %26amp; Schuman, 2000) has in fact found that men make more false allegations in court. I have numerous articles - a recent one has the lawyer calling the dad a ';Nice guy'; (he sexually abused his 8 yo and beat and killed her) and claiming the woman committed the abuse. I know of MANY cases where the woman alleges abuse and the father says she is alienating the child from him ---- in these cases, the WOMAN is punished - with fines, jail or loss of custody.





Batterers getting custody is a HUGE problem and a national disgrace. The Leadership Council estimates 58,000 children/year go to unsupervised visitation or custody with abusers.





There is now a battered women's conference. There are web sites for mothers rights. It is the start of the movment. Right now, all these dads are getting attention - they never talk about family violnece (unless its female perpetrated) and many in fact are abusers that are chipping away at services for female victims of violence and working towards discrediting them. PAS is based on the premise that women %26amp; children lie. False allegations is something they spew but cannot support with evidence. The Innocence Project says nohting about false allegations imprisioning ';innoncent men';.





I went to a femicide conference a few weeks ago - the greatest indicator of homicide for a woman is her fear. Her Fear. She lives with him, she knows him, she can sense when the situation will get to the point of murder. Oh great! I thought b/c nobody believes women.





Rape - only 13% of men are prosecuted.


DV - 58,000 kids go to see these guys - some who've raped them, beat them, burned them....





One of the greatest problems women face is that due to stereotypes and misogyny, they are not believed. For this reason (and b/c of impunity), women still face injustice in the justice system.






Polygraph tests are not (or should not be) admissable in court because they have very bad vericity - sometimes as low as 50-50. This is not going to change whatever the case they are being used in is. I think they should definately not take accusations at face value, but should use a reliable method of testing them.
No, they're unreliable.





No, Jo, there is something called ';innocent until proven guilty in a court of law'; that we have today which is the reason why rape conviction rates are so low (that and the very low reporting rate to begin with). You'll be glad we have that if you ever get accused of a crime, rather than us just throwing your butt in jail and declaring you guilty. Sorry, victimhood status only goes so far.
I don't think so, all I've heard about polygraph tests is how unreliable they are. I don't really support their use at all. Maybe as a sort of confirmation with lots of other physical evidence, but not as anything on its own.





Harriet
No, as polygraphs are terribly unreliable and don't harden the quality of research methodology or custody cases for that matter.
I support it's use in investigation, but I also agree that it is not evidence,


nor admissible in court.
Yes assuming that it would do more good than harm. The law needs to come down hard on people who make false allegations, as it stands there is little deterrent or risk involved in making one.
No they are not reliable.





And I love how one anti-woman supposes only females would use allegations of DV. I have seen men do so as well.
As long as they are reliable, yes. It sucks that women can lie about violence in order to get full custody.
Absolutely not, they are so unreliable they're not allowed as evidence in a court of law.
I would support it as PART of the evidence, but it should never be used as a sole piece.
The problem is, they aren't reliable.





One would need better evidence.
No. Polygraph test are worthless. They were created by a cartoonist!
Yes, but grudgingly. I don't have 100% faith in polygraph tests. Some people are capable of cheating them.
we should not have to rely on machines, its up to us a human being to control our actions
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